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	<title>Comments on: Ebay logo auctions</title>
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	<description>The Art &#38; Business of Logo Design</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/ebay-logo-auctions/comment-page-1/#comment-197251</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 07:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a designer for over ten years now, and intellectual property has been an issue ever since but to make claim to be a designer it is taboo to claim someone else work your own it&#039;s a matter of self esteem and accomplishment.  there are tons load of ideas already done before and still what you conceptualize and created is suppose to be unique, great minds think alike!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a designer for over ten years now, and intellectual property has been an issue ever since but to make claim to be a designer it is taboo to claim someone else work your own it&#8217;s a matter of self esteem and accomplishment.  there are tons load of ideas already done before and still what you conceptualize and created is suppose to be unique, great minds think alike!</p>
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		<title>By: MIkey J.</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/ebay-logo-auctions/comment-page-1/#comment-84012</link>
		<dc:creator>MIkey J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this really such a big deal? I mean one ebay logo auction isn&#039;t really going to harm professional designers is it? it seems to me that designers time would be better spent perfecting their craft that moaning about one little auction that may have used someone elses designs. All of this seems to me like a big waste of time and blog space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this really such a big deal? I mean one ebay logo auction isn&#8217;t really going to harm professional designers is it? it seems to me that designers time would be better spent perfecting their craft that moaning about one little auction that may have used someone elses designs. All of this seems to me like a big waste of time and blog space.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan James</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/ebay-logo-auctions/comment-page-1/#comment-84011</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a crock. Dude gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar and he tries to advertise his services on the very same site the designs got stolen from?!!!

Jonathon, you should have quit while you were ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a crock. Dude gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar and he tries to advertise his services on the very same site the designs got stolen from?!!!</p>
<p>Jonathon, you should have quit while you were ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/ebay-logo-auctions/comment-page-1/#comment-83886</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now it&#039;s the &#039;kind of logo&#039; your customers can expect? Parse it however you like - your auction featured examples of someone else&#039;s work as examples of your own. Not only is that unethical (by any standards I know) but quite possibly copyright and/or trademark infringement, regardless if I buy the &#039;clip art collection&#039; explanation or not - which by the way, I don&#039;t. It is not an &quot;accurate representation&quot; of what your company has done, nor is it an “accurate representation” of what you&#039;re capable of. Rather, it is indicative of what &lt;strong&gt;The Logo Factory&lt;/strong&gt; has done, and what &lt;strong&gt;our&lt;/strong&gt; designers are capable of. If you can&#039;t understand why showcasing another designer&#039;s work in your portfolio is a big deal, you&#039;re missing the point of showcasing design samples in the first place. So indulge me as I try to explain this fairly simple premise again. 

Showcasing one&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_design_galleries/gallery1.html&quot;&gt;logo design examples&lt;/a&gt; is a way to show prospective clients what a designer or design studio is capable of. It allows a designer to advertise their skills and hopefully generate new business. You decided to bypass this right of passage by using &lt;strong&gt;other&lt;/strong&gt; designers&#039; work to advertise &lt;strong&gt;your&lt;/strong&gt; business and to generate sales for &lt;strong&gt;your&lt;/strong&gt; company. From a small picture POV it&#039;s annoying as hell to the original designers. You&#039;re taking credit for their work. From a big picture POV - you&#039;re adding to the public perception that anyone can design logos for a few bucks - after all, the logos that you exhibited are as good as what a professional design shop would put out for hundreds more (the irony should be self-evident). Not a big deal to you - considering logo design &#039;busy work&#039; - but a pretty big deal to the graphic design community. You&#039;re also lying to your own &#039;customers&#039; regarding your logo design experience. All of which, by the way, are reasons why I suggest business owners avoid ebay logo auctions like the plague - as per my original blog post.

Bottom line - if you&#039;re so proud of your $49 design services, then why aren&#039;t you showcasing examples of your own work? Not logos ripped from a &#039;clip art collection&#039;. Not other designers&#039; work. Your own. If you had used your own logos in the first place, or simply removed our artwork when you were asked (you didn&#039;t &#039;discover&#039; this error - you were advised that these were TLF designs &lt;strong&gt;before&lt;/strong&gt; I wrote my original post), we wouldn&#039;t even be having this conversation. 

In regards to clip art and its use in logos, you seem to be struggling with an understanding of the concept - so here&#039;s a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelogofactory.com/library/articles/clip-art-logos.html&quot;&gt;clip art and why it&#039;s a bad idea for use in any logo&lt;/a&gt;. While you&#039;re here, you can read why &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelogofactory.com/library/articles/hackology.html#myth&quot;&gt;unlimited logo revisions is a myth&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now it&#8217;s the &#8216;kind of logo&#8217; your customers can expect? Parse it however you like &#8211; your auction featured examples of someone else&#8217;s work as examples of your own. Not only is that unethical (by any standards I know) but quite possibly copyright and/or trademark infringement, regardless if I buy the &#8216;clip art collection&#8217; explanation or not &#8211; which by the way, I don&#8217;t. It is not an &#8220;accurate representation&#8221; of what your company has done, nor is it an “accurate representation” of what you&#8217;re capable of. Rather, it is indicative of what <strong>The Logo Factory</strong> has done, and what <strong>our</strong> designers are capable of. If you can&#8217;t understand why showcasing another designer&#8217;s work in your portfolio is a big deal, you&#8217;re missing the point of showcasing design samples in the first place. So indulge me as I try to explain this fairly simple premise again. </p>
<p>Showcasing one&#8217;s <a href="http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_design_galleries/gallery1.html">logo design examples</a> is a way to show prospective clients what a designer or design studio is capable of. It allows a designer to advertise their skills and hopefully generate new business. You decided to bypass this right of passage by using <strong>other</strong> designers&#8217; work to advertise <strong>your</strong> business and to generate sales for <strong>your</strong> company. From a small picture POV it&#8217;s annoying as hell to the original designers. You&#8217;re taking credit for their work. From a big picture POV &#8211; you&#8217;re adding to the public perception that anyone can design logos for a few bucks &#8211; after all, the logos that you exhibited are as good as what a professional design shop would put out for hundreds more (the irony should be self-evident). Not a big deal to you &#8211; considering logo design &#8216;busy work&#8217; &#8211; but a pretty big deal to the graphic design community. You&#8217;re also lying to your own &#8216;customers&#8217; regarding your logo design experience. All of which, by the way, are reasons why I suggest business owners avoid ebay logo auctions like the plague &#8211; as per my original blog post.</p>
<p>Bottom line &#8211; if you&#8217;re so proud of your $49 design services, then why aren&#8217;t you showcasing examples of your own work? Not logos ripped from a &#8216;clip art collection&#8217;. Not other designers&#8217; work. Your own. If you had used your own logos in the first place, or simply removed our artwork when you were asked (you didn&#8217;t &#8216;discover&#8217; this error &#8211; you were advised that these were TLF designs <strong>before</strong> I wrote my original post), we wouldn&#8217;t even be having this conversation. </p>
<p>In regards to clip art and its use in logos, you seem to be struggling with an understanding of the concept &#8211; so here&#8217;s a look at <a href="http://www.thelogofactory.com/library/articles/clip-art-logos.html">clip art and why it&#8217;s a bad idea for use in any logo</a>. While you&#8217;re here, you can read why <a href="http://www.thelogofactory.com/library/articles/hackology.html#myth">unlimited logo revisions is a myth</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathon Fulkerson</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/ebay-logo-auctions/comment-page-1/#comment-83876</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathon Fulkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our auction showed examples of the kind of logo they can expect to receive. It was an accurate representation then and now. 

In as friendly way as possible I disagree on some of the statements. Unless you hand draw every single aspect of a design, you must be using some sort of clipart. A good example is a font, which ofcourse was created by someone else and used for logos everyday. The word clipart is very generic. Our claims of unlimited revisions on a professional design are absolutely accurate. And if I have clipart that can be used in some way to aid in the process of making their design, then I will.  I see where you coming from with &quot;custom logo design&quot; The final product from any custom work we do, is completely unique and unresembling other works. Our $49 deal is a promotion and generates busy work now and then. I agree there are not many designers willing to devote the time it takes for a professional logo for that price. Ultimatly a winner of our auctions receive personallized attention and an unresting pursuit of the best logo for the customers needs. Keeping in mind fresh, unique, and professional ideas. Any graphic I design, can be considered clipart 5 secs after I make it, regardless of the quality, size, or length of time spent on it.

At the end of the day I have to respect that our meeting, was definately to a negative tone ON OUR Behalf, so again I apologize for the situation. You have a great website here and a good place for people to come that are lookind for honest good ole fashion design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our auction showed examples of the kind of logo they can expect to receive. It was an accurate representation then and now. </p>
<p>In as friendly way as possible I disagree on some of the statements. Unless you hand draw every single aspect of a design, you must be using some sort of clipart. A good example is a font, which ofcourse was created by someone else and used for logos everyday. The word clipart is very generic. Our claims of unlimited revisions on a professional design are absolutely accurate. And if I have clipart that can be used in some way to aid in the process of making their design, then I will.  I see where you coming from with &#8220;custom logo design&#8221; The final product from any custom work we do, is completely unique and unresembling other works. Our $49 deal is a promotion and generates busy work now and then. I agree there are not many designers willing to devote the time it takes for a professional logo for that price. Ultimatly a winner of our auctions receive personallized attention and an unresting pursuit of the best logo for the customers needs. Keeping in mind fresh, unique, and professional ideas. Any graphic I design, can be considered clipart 5 secs after I make it, regardless of the quality, size, or length of time spent on it.</p>
<p>At the end of the day I have to respect that our meeting, was definately to a negative tone ON OUR Behalf, so again I apologize for the situation. You have a great website here and a good place for people to come that are lookind for honest good ole fashion design.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/ebay-logo-auctions/comment-page-1/#comment-83841</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for dropping by Jonathon. I appreciate you removing samples of TLF work from your ebay logo auction, though your explanation still doesn&#039;t negate my main point - using other people&#039;s work (whether it came from a &#039;clip art collection&#039; or not) as examples of what your company is capable of is, at best, misleading. You&#039;re laying claim to skills and experience that belong to someone else, and insinuating that similar logos can be developed for $29. They cannot, without resorting to &#039;clip art&#039; and other methods which don&#039;t square with &#039;professional logo design&#039; or custom logo work&#039;. In any case, I&#039;ve removed the link to your company&#039;s website - I&#039;m not out to embarrass anyone, only to protect The Logo Factory&#039;s clients and design integrity. For what it&#039;s worth we have never authorized &lt;strong&gt;any&lt;/strong&gt; TLF design work for &#039;clip art collections&#039;.  Nor will we.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for dropping by Jonathon. I appreciate you removing samples of TLF work from your ebay logo auction, though your explanation still doesn&#8217;t negate my main point &#8211; using other people&#8217;s work (whether it came from a &#8216;clip art collection&#8217; or not) as examples of what your company is capable of is, at best, misleading. You&#8217;re laying claim to skills and experience that belong to someone else, and insinuating that similar logos can be developed for $29. They cannot, without resorting to &#8216;clip art&#8217; and other methods which don&#8217;t square with &#8216;professional logo design&#8217; or custom logo work&#8217;. In any case, I&#8217;ve removed the link to your company&#8217;s website &#8211; I&#8217;m not out to embarrass anyone, only to protect The Logo Factory&#8217;s clients and design integrity. For what it&#8217;s worth we have never authorized <strong>any</strong> TLF design work for &#8216;clip art collections&#8217;.  Nor will we.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathon Fulkerson</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/ebay-logo-auctions/comment-page-1/#comment-83618</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathon Fulkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 02:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own and operate HiTech Paradise, when designing our auction I grabbed these images straight from our database. I believe these images came from a supposedly legal collection of clipart, that we purchased for our company. Once this error was discovered, the images have been removed. The Logo Factory provides a honest service and we at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/logo-design-copycats/&quot;&gt;HiTech Paradise&lt;/a&gt; strive to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own and operate HiTech Paradise, when designing our auction I grabbed these images straight from our database. I believe these images came from a supposedly legal collection of clipart, that we purchased for our company. Once this error was discovered, the images have been removed. The Logo Factory provides a honest service and we at <a href="http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/logo-design-copycats/">HiTech Paradise</a> strive to do the same.</p>
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