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		<title>By: Pro e contro del lavoro speculativo ~ Tiragraffi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pro e contro del lavoro speculativo ~ Tiragraffi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Trovate qui un&#8217;altro articolo che riporta un&#8217;altra lista di motivi per cui il free pitching e&#8217; controproducente. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/crowdsource-new-logo-design/comment-page-1/#comment-194687</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Godless, thanks for commenting. Just a couple of things though. As the writer of the article, I don&#039;t &#039;assume&#039; anything of the sort. I&#039;ve written about getting knocked off by other online logo companies (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/logo-copycats/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/more-copycats/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/copycats-gallery/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for that). Hell, I&#039;ve even written about getting knocked off on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/ebay-logo-auctions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ebay logo auctions&lt;/a&gt; so I don&#039;t labor under any &#039;assumptions&#039; at all.

I&#039;ve also written about a time when we got knocked off by a very big advertising agency, for a very large (relatively speaking) advertising campaign. You can &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/heath-ledger-another-copycat/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;read about it here&lt;/a&gt;. So what&#039;s the difference between design contests and firms like this? When it came to the advertising agency, when contacted about the misappropriation of our IP rights, a quick licensing agreement was hammered out and a rather hefty sum paid out. The ad firm didn&#039;t want their rep tarnished (part of the agreement was that we removed their client&#039;s name from the article). The company negotiated use of our work for six months, after which they agreed to stop using the artwork. We were pitched a few design gigs (well paying ones at that) presumably to keep us happy and more importantly, quiet about the entire affair. Now, take a logo contest. There are rips entered every single day. We&#039;ve been fighting a cat &amp; mouse game with several logo contest sites for years. Most of the time, IP violation reports are ignored. If they are heeded, the designs are removed from the contest gallery, but left on the site (where you can still find them if you know the URL, or through a keyword Google image search). It was only after I started writing about instances of our wok being abused, did our work start getting removed pronto. 

In terms of our work getting knocked-off, we have no recourse (the anonymity of design contests makes it almost impossible to track down the infringing party). ALL design contest sites have legal waivers (how legit they are remains to be seen) that specifically deny ALL responsibility IF a knocked-off design gets entered, or worse, wins a contest. Design firms don&#039;t have similar waivers in their contracts because they don&#039;t anticipate it happening, while design contest sites KNOW it is a very real possibility. When a design firm (or in the example above, ad agency) foists a knocked-off design on their client by &quot;accident&quot; (the ad agency claimed that the artwork was supplied by a freelancer and that they had no idea), there are very real repercussions - financial, legal and to the integrity of their reputation. It&#039;s very costly for a design firm to knock-off a design. It happens all the time on design contests without any ramifications whatsoever.

I don&#039;t see what amateur sport has to do with anything. Apples and Oranges. One is a sport, and one well, isn&#039;t. And design contest sites don&#039;t present themselves as amateur anything. They present themselves as a professional alternative, and a superior one at that, to working with a professional designer or firm. I can tell you sixteen ways to Sunday why that isn&#039;t true, but this comment&#039;s getting a little long in the tooth as it is (and besides, I&#039;ve written about that subject on many occasions elsewhere).

Am I a &quot;crazy old man proselytizing the end of the world&quot;. Perhaps on the crazy. Getting closer to the old. As far the &quot;end of the world&quot; we&#039;ll have to see how all this so-called  &#039;crowdsourcing&#039; rubbish plays out in the next couple of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Godless, thanks for commenting. Just a couple of things though. As the writer of the article, I don&#8217;t &#8216;assume&#8217; anything of the sort. I&#8217;ve written about getting knocked off by other online logo companies (see <a href="http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/logo-copycats/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/more-copycats/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/copycats-gallery/" rel="nofollow">here</a> for that). Hell, I&#8217;ve even written about getting knocked off on <a href="http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/ebay-logo-auctions/" rel="nofollow">ebay logo auctions</a> so I don&#8217;t labor under any &#8216;assumptions&#8217; at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also written about a time when we got knocked off by a very big advertising agency, for a very large (relatively speaking) advertising campaign. You can <a href="http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/heath-ledger-another-copycat/" rel="nofollow">read about it here</a>. So what&#8217;s the difference between design contests and firms like this? When it came to the advertising agency, when contacted about the misappropriation of our IP rights, a quick licensing agreement was hammered out and a rather hefty sum paid out. The ad firm didn&#8217;t want their rep tarnished (part of the agreement was that we removed their client&#8217;s name from the article). The company negotiated use of our work for six months, after which they agreed to stop using the artwork. We were pitched a few design gigs (well paying ones at that) presumably to keep us happy and more importantly, quiet about the entire affair. Now, take a logo contest. There are rips entered every single day. We&#8217;ve been fighting a cat &amp; mouse game with several logo contest sites for years. Most of the time, IP violation reports are ignored. If they are heeded, the designs are removed from the contest gallery, but left on the site (where you can still find them if you know the URL, or through a keyword Google image search). It was only after I started writing about instances of our wok being abused, did our work start getting removed pronto. </p>
<p>In terms of our work getting knocked-off, we have no recourse (the anonymity of design contests makes it almost impossible to track down the infringing party). ALL design contest sites have legal waivers (how legit they are remains to be seen) that specifically deny ALL responsibility IF a knocked-off design gets entered, or worse, wins a contest. Design firms don&#8217;t have similar waivers in their contracts because they don&#8217;t anticipate it happening, while design contest sites KNOW it is a very real possibility. When a design firm (or in the example above, ad agency) foists a knocked-off design on their client by &#8220;accident&#8221; (the ad agency claimed that the artwork was supplied by a freelancer and that they had no idea), there are very real repercussions &#8211; financial, legal and to the integrity of their reputation. It&#8217;s very costly for a design firm to knock-off a design. It happens all the time on design contests without any ramifications whatsoever.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see what amateur sport has to do with anything. Apples and Oranges. One is a sport, and one well, isn&#8217;t. And design contest sites don&#8217;t present themselves as amateur anything. They present themselves as a professional alternative, and a superior one at that, to working with a professional designer or firm. I can tell you sixteen ways to Sunday why that isn&#8217;t true, but this comment&#8217;s getting a little long in the tooth as it is (and besides, I&#8217;ve written about that subject on many occasions elsewhere).</p>
<p>Am I a &#8220;crazy old man proselytizing the end of the world&#8221;. Perhaps on the crazy. Getting closer to the old. As far the &#8220;end of the world&#8221; we&#8217;ll have to see how all this so-called  &#8216;crowdsourcing&#8217; rubbish plays out in the next couple of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Godless Heathen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godless Heathen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worst part of this article is that it assumes that just because a client goes to a design firm instead of &quot;crowdsourcing&quot;, that the designer is actually going to make a unique logo.

I can almost guarantee you that there are many designers out there, working for firms or freelance, that are using clip-art and stolen logos that they sell to clients for hundreds of dollars.

So, on that side of it, I think the client has just as much of a chance to get ripped off as he does going to a spec site.

In fact, I could almost guarantee you that most designers are copy-cats. You can see this based on the design trends that come and go. Look at the web 2.0 trend. Everyone&#039;s site looks the same these days! Hell, even this site, the very site that is talking shit about copy-catting, looks like EVERY other blog on the face of the planet! Go ahead, scroll up and take a look!

Now... As for designers getting ripped off. In my opinion, the designers posting designs know what they are getting into. They know that there will be tons of other submissions, and that their chances of winning are slim. I see a lot of people &quot;warning&quot; them about those sites, but in reality, it isn&#039;t going to stop anyone who already wanted to do it anyway.

Some people just like the competition. I mean hell, if you are going to talk shit about this, then talk shit about every competitive athlete out there. They spend YEARS training for one competition that they know full well they might not win. Talk about a waste!

And lets also take a look at sites like Worth1000, where people actually have to PAY to enter a contest! And they don&#039;t win shit, except the ability to submit more designs! And that place is humming with designers.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with these kinds of sites, and I think that the people who are demonizing them are almost as bad as the crazy man on the street proselytizing the end of the world.

Just my 2 pennies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst part of this article is that it assumes that just because a client goes to a design firm instead of &#8220;crowdsourcing&#8221;, that the designer is actually going to make a unique logo.</p>
<p>I can almost guarantee you that there are many designers out there, working for firms or freelance, that are using clip-art and stolen logos that they sell to clients for hundreds of dollars.</p>
<p>So, on that side of it, I think the client has just as much of a chance to get ripped off as he does going to a spec site.</p>
<p>In fact, I could almost guarantee you that most designers are copy-cats. You can see this based on the design trends that come and go. Look at the web 2.0 trend. Everyone&#8217;s site looks the same these days! Hell, even this site, the very site that is talking shit about copy-catting, looks like EVERY other blog on the face of the planet! Go ahead, scroll up and take a look!</p>
<p>Now&#8230; As for designers getting ripped off. In my opinion, the designers posting designs know what they are getting into. They know that there will be tons of other submissions, and that their chances of winning are slim. I see a lot of people &#8220;warning&#8221; them about those sites, but in reality, it isn&#8217;t going to stop anyone who already wanted to do it anyway.</p>
<p>Some people just like the competition. I mean hell, if you are going to talk shit about this, then talk shit about every competitive athlete out there. They spend YEARS training for one competition that they know full well they might not win. Talk about a waste!</p>
<p>And lets also take a look at sites like Worth1000, where people actually have to PAY to enter a contest! And they don&#8217;t win shit, except the ability to submit more designs! And that place is humming with designers.</p>
<p>Personally, I see nothing wrong with these kinds of sites, and I think that the people who are demonizing them are almost as bad as the crazy man on the street proselytizing the end of the world.</p>
<p>Just my 2 pennies.</p>
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		<title>By: seobro</title>
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		<dc:creator>seobro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you brother. This reminds me of istockphoto that now pays photographers maybe 20 cents per download of their photo. It is like you make pennies whereas before you got paid big bucks from stock agencies. I work design for SEO and big biz - they want to get their photos for very little money or free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you brother. This reminds me of istockphoto that now pays photographers maybe 20 cents per download of their photo. It is like you make pennies whereas before you got paid big bucks from stock agencies. I work design for SEO and big biz &#8211; they want to get their photos for very little money or free.</p>
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		<title>By: The &#8220;Pros&#8221; and Cons of Spec Work</title>
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		<dc:creator>The &#8220;Pros&#8221; and Cons of Spec Work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you are still not convinced, read this article for 16 more reasons why to NOT use design contests or read some of SpecWatch &#8217;s examples of design contests gone [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you are still not convinced, read this article for 16 more reasons why to NOT use design contests or read some of SpecWatch &#8217;s examples of design contests gone [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Logo contests and design crowdsourcing. All the spec news that's fit to print. &#124; The Logo Factor Design Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/crowdsource-new-logo-design/comment-page-1/#comment-193295</link>
		<dc:creator>Logo contests and design crowdsourcing. All the spec news that's fit to print. &#124; The Logo Factor Design Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I agree, which probably explains why his article isn&#8217;t quite as snarky as our similarly-named Why You Should Crowdsource Your Logo feature from a few months back. Or it&#8217;s companion piece How To Win a Logo Design Contest. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I agree, which probably explains why his article isn&#8217;t quite as snarky as our similarly-named Why You Should Crowdsource Your Logo feature from a few months back. Or it&#8217;s companion piece How To Win a Logo Design Contest. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rinaldistudio</title>
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		<dc:creator>rinaldistudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that should&#039;ve read....&#039;all designers on crowdsourcing sites ARE NOT bad...
(just really bad a typing:()</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that should&#8217;ve read&#8230;.&#8217;all designers on crowdsourcing sites ARE NOT bad&#8230;<br />
(just really bad a typing:()</p>
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		<title>By: rinaldistudio</title>
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		<dc:creator>rinaldistudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..... all designers on crowdsourcing sites are bad(there are many great ones) I agree, if I want to participate, my problem....I am not a self taught, fly by nite &#039;designer, I am schooled in fine art.
Yes, there is copyrite problems, stockart......but what would these so called designers do if the crowdsouring sites didn&#039;t exist? Just sell clipart to clients?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.. all designers on crowdsourcing sites are bad(there are many great ones) I agree, if I want to participate, my problem&#8230;.I am not a self taught, fly by nite &#8216;designer, I am schooled in fine art.<br />
Yes, there is copyrite problems, stockart&#8230;&#8230;but what would these so called designers do if the crowdsouring sites didn&#8217;t exist? Just sell clipart to clients?</p>
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		<title>By: Brand Building or Brand Breaking? &#171; The Contrabrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brand Building or Brand Breaking? &#171; The Contrabrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] stand to lose. I don’t need to re-hash the arguments. They’ve been made here and here and here. Indeed, professional design associations universally decry the practice of spec work as being [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] stand to lose. I don’t need to re-hash the arguments. They’ve been made here and here and here. Indeed, professional design associations universally decry the practice of spec work as being [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Twitter graphic $6 proof that design crowdsourcing works?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitter graphic $6 proof that design crowdsourcing works?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 21:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] us on Twitter by clicking on @TheLogoFactory. The trouble with design crowdsourcing. Why you should crowdsource your logo.   Bookmark and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] us on Twitter by clicking on @TheLogoFactory. The trouble with design crowdsourcing. Why you should crowdsource your logo.   Bookmark and [...]</p>
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