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	<description>The Art &#38; Business of Logo Design</description>
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		<title>By: Pro e contro del lavoro speculativo &#124; Tiragraffi</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/crowdsource-new-logo-design/comment-page-2/#comment-200911</link>
		<dc:creator>Pro e contro del lavoro speculativo &#124; Tiragraffi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Trovate qui un&#8217;altro articolo che riporta un&#8217;altra lista di motivi per cui il free pitching e&#8217; controproducente. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Trovate qui un&#8217;altro articolo che riporta un&#8217;altra lista di motivi per cui il free pitching e&#8217; controproducente. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/crowdsource-new-logo-design/comment-page-2/#comment-200412</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 19:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam - Thanks for the comment but the entire article upstairs (and the quote you&#039;ve lifted) is written with industrial grade snark - an &#039;opposite day&#039; kinda vibe. For the same sort of thing, minus the sarcasm, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/spec-work-design-contests-crowdsourcing-designer-edition/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The 28 talking points of spec work&lt;/a&gt;. That post may make my position a little clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam &#8211; Thanks for the comment but the entire article upstairs (and the quote you&#8217;ve lifted) is written with industrial grade snark &#8211; an &#8216;opposite day&#8217; kinda vibe. For the same sort of thing, minus the sarcasm, see <a href="http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/spec-work-design-contests-crowdsourcing-designer-edition/" rel="nofollow">The 28 talking points of spec work</a>. That post may make my position a little clearer.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/crowdsource-new-logo-design/comment-page-2/#comment-200409</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 18:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Design isn&#039;t a job - more of a hobby&quot;, really? And that&#039;s why Logofactory would never get my company&#039;s business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Design isn&#8217;t a job &#8211; more of a hobby&#8221;, really? And that&#8217;s why Logofactory would never get my company&#8217;s business.</p>
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		<title>By: Help me choose a logo</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/crowdsource-new-logo-design/comment-page-2/#comment-199655</link>
		<dc:creator>Help me choose a logo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Thanks for your support. Spec Work and Crowdsourcing: Gambles that Don&#039;t Pay Off &#124; CreativePro.com Why you should crowdsource your new logo design &#124; The Logo Factor Design Blog NO!SPEC &#124; To educate the public about speculative (spec) work  The hypocrisy here is amazing. I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Thanks for your support. Spec Work and Crowdsourcing: Gambles that Don&#039;t Pay Off | CreativePro.com Why you should crowdsource your new logo design | The Logo Factor Design Blog NO!SPEC | To educate the public about speculative (spec) work  The hypocrisy here is amazing. I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: xpez2000</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/crowdsource-new-logo-design/comment-page-2/#comment-199586</link>
		<dc:creator>xpez2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 03:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If cheesy business people want a cheesy logo then let them have it. It only makes the best work shine even more.

If the world becomes saturated with shitty logos, as if it already isn&#039;t, then who cares.

Eventually, no one will have to make a logo good or bad.

we can collectively move on to make other things, like, THE BROCHURE... woooo  FUN!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If cheesy business people want a cheesy logo then let them have it. It only makes the best work shine even more.</p>
<p>If the world becomes saturated with shitty logos, as if it already isn&#8217;t, then who cares.</p>
<p>Eventually, no one will have to make a logo good or bad.</p>
<p>we can collectively move on to make other things, like, THE BROCHURE&#8230; woooo  FUN!!!</p>
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		<title>By: rjc</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/crowdsource-new-logo-design/comment-page-2/#comment-199585</link>
		<dc:creator>rjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 06:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;one more point: reading the comments about how entering a contest is worth (x amount) of a designer&#039;s time. The thing about it is your &quot;client&quot; makes revisions, is encouraged to make revisions. You don&#039;t just submit a design, move on with your life, then wait for a check. The &quot;client&quot; says &quot;make this change, then that change, then submit the revision&quot;. To you, and to the other people who are also in the running. Who knows how much back and forth is involved but I assume there&#039;s no cap to it. THEN, when the client(now officially a client) chooses the winner (and doesn&#039;t request a refund), you still aren&#039;t done. You go through a &quot;wrap up&quot; process, where you keep submitting revisions and submitting proofs. Over and over, until they sign off on the proof. If they don&#039;t sign off, you don&#039;t get paid. Who knows how long that could take.

Also, if you go to the forum, people are discussing their relationship &quot;with their clients&quot; and how they build a rapport with them, do their best to serve their needs. Just like other designers, are simultaneously going through the same process with the same &#039;buyer&#039;.

Don&#039;t you have to be a paying customer to be considered a &quot;client&quot;? And no, you don&#039;t HAVE to participate. It is kind of compelling, it&#039;s fun to compete. But people are being taken advantage of here. And I don&#039;t care if it&#039;s legal, taking advantage of people is not good business, I don&#039;t care what industry you are in. Just because you can doesn&#039;t mean you should. It&#039;s called having character. Anyway, off my soapbox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;one more point: reading the comments about how entering a contest is worth (x amount) of a designer&#8217;s time. The thing about it is your &#8220;client&#8221; makes revisions, is encouraged to make revisions. You don&#8217;t just submit a design, move on with your life, then wait for a check. The &#8220;client&#8221; says &#8220;make this change, then that change, then submit the revision&#8221;. To you, and to the other people who are also in the running. Who knows how much back and forth is involved but I assume there&#8217;s no cap to it. THEN, when the client(now officially a client) chooses the winner (and doesn&#8217;t request a refund), you still aren&#8217;t done. You go through a &#8220;wrap up&#8221; process, where you keep submitting revisions and submitting proofs. Over and over, until they sign off on the proof. If they don&#8217;t sign off, you don&#8217;t get paid. Who knows how long that could take.</p>
<p>Also, if you go to the forum, people are discussing their relationship &#8220;with their clients&#8221; and how they build a rapport with them, do their best to serve their needs. Just like other designers, are simultaneously going through the same process with the same &#8216;buyer&#8217;.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you have to be a paying customer to be considered a &#8220;client&#8221;? And no, you don&#8217;t HAVE to participate. It is kind of compelling, it&#8217;s fun to compete. But people are being taken advantage of here. And I don&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s legal, taking advantage of people is not good business, I don&#8217;t care what industry you are in. Just because you can doesn&#8217;t mean you should. It&#8217;s called having character. Anyway, off my soapbox.</p>
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		<title>By: rjc</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/crowdsource-new-logo-design/comment-page-2/#comment-199584</link>
		<dc:creator>rjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 06:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello, I know this article is a bit old but if one researches crowdsourcing on design forums and blogs, this (hilarious and informative) article is mentioned a few times. The reason I am posting is I have apparently been living under a rock and these design contests are new to me. I&#039;ve spent a few days researching them, not really understanding what I was getting into. It sounded like easy money, and after all, I am awesome at what I do. Halfway through reading this article I removed my small handful of submissions from the crowdspring site. What really sealed the deal is when I saw that twitter message of them trying to persuade someone looking for a designer to not hire a pro but go their site. Made my blood boil. So now I know. I feel stupid. Not the first time that&#039;s happened.

The bit of info I want to add here that may not have been mentioned is the money back guarantee. The only reason I entered the contest was because the site led me to believe that, even though the odds are against you, part of the contract with the &#039;buyer&#039; is that they HAVE to choose a winner at the end. They HAVE to deposit the sum up front, so the lucky &#039;creative&#039; will indeed get the money. This is kind of how they advertise to designers. But the reality is, even if the &#039;buyer&#039; receives 25 submissions (the minimum amount of bids to avoid a refund).... they can say &quot;you know what? I don&#039;t like any of these designs. I want my money back.&quot; So, they get their deposit back--MINUS the $39 fee that crowdspring keeps. The consolation to the designer is that the staff at crowdspring will choose their favorite, and the winner will receive a $100 parting gift (which used to be $250)... eventually. BTW even if there is no refund, the buyer can dilly dally for weeks and weeks past the deadline before choosing a winner. 

Something else--when I was researching it I found a link to some &quot;success stories&quot; and one story in particular really encouraged me to give the contests a try, the lady was making consistent money and it sounded like she was having fun and it was a viable business for her. Later I found a blog with a huge response from this lady (I suppose it was about a year after her success story) saying how much she hated it and wishes she never got involved and was sorry her success story had been a factor in other people entering the contests.

So I just wanted to add all that to the mix, I know this topic has probably been done to death but I&#039;ve been in the design world for many years and am only now learning about this, so there you have it. Love the site and look forward to reading and learning from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello, I know this article is a bit old but if one researches crowdsourcing on design forums and blogs, this (hilarious and informative) article is mentioned a few times. The reason I am posting is I have apparently been living under a rock and these design contests are new to me. I&#8217;ve spent a few days researching them, not really understanding what I was getting into. It sounded like easy money, and after all, I am awesome at what I do. Halfway through reading this article I removed my small handful of submissions from the crowdspring site. What really sealed the deal is when I saw that twitter message of them trying to persuade someone looking for a designer to not hire a pro but go their site. Made my blood boil. So now I know. I feel stupid. Not the first time that&#8217;s happened.</p>
<p>The bit of info I want to add here that may not have been mentioned is the money back guarantee. The only reason I entered the contest was because the site led me to believe that, even though the odds are against you, part of the contract with the &#8216;buyer&#8217; is that they HAVE to choose a winner at the end. They HAVE to deposit the sum up front, so the lucky &#8216;creative&#8217; will indeed get the money. This is kind of how they advertise to designers. But the reality is, even if the &#8216;buyer&#8217; receives 25 submissions (the minimum amount of bids to avoid a refund)&#8230;. they can say &#8220;you know what? I don&#8217;t like any of these designs. I want my money back.&#8221; So, they get their deposit back&#8211;MINUS the $39 fee that crowdspring keeps. The consolation to the designer is that the staff at crowdspring will choose their favorite, and the winner will receive a $100 parting gift (which used to be $250)&#8230; eventually. BTW even if there is no refund, the buyer can dilly dally for weeks and weeks past the deadline before choosing a winner. </p>
<p>Something else&#8211;when I was researching it I found a link to some &#8220;success stories&#8221; and one story in particular really encouraged me to give the contests a try, the lady was making consistent money and it sounded like she was having fun and it was a viable business for her. Later I found a blog with a huge response from this lady (I suppose it was about a year after her success story) saying how much she hated it and wishes she never got involved and was sorry her success story had been a factor in other people entering the contests.</p>
<p>So I just wanted to add all that to the mix, I know this topic has probably been done to death but I&#8217;ve been in the design world for many years and am only now learning about this, so there you have it. Love the site and look forward to reading and learning from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wing</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/crowdsource-new-logo-design/comment-page-2/#comment-199418</link>
		<dc:creator>Wing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree that this is a very poorly written post. I get nausea and after reading it I actually wanted to side with the pro-crowdsourcing side.

The articles that talk about plagiarism and legality are much better. They have logic and so they are much more persuasive: I don’t want to be identified with plagiarists so after reading those I was convinced. But this one almost undid the work those articles have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree that this is a very poorly written post. I get nausea and after reading it I actually wanted to side with the pro-crowdsourcing side.</p>
<p>The articles that talk about plagiarism and legality are much better. They have logic and so they are much more persuasive: I don’t want to be identified with plagiarists so after reading those I was convinced. But this one almost undid the work those articles have done.</p>
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		<title>By: 4 Approaches to Designing a Business Logo &#124; Matt About Business</title>
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		<dc:creator>4 Approaches to Designing a Business Logo &#124; Matt About Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course this approach is not without pros and cons. This social logo-designing is cutting-edge stuff and here are some sites on which you can [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/crowdsource-new-logo-design/comment-page-1/#comment-197850</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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