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		<title>By: Steve Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey David - welcome back. On a more serious note, I find it telling that &#039;logo design contest&#039; site owners carp about the democracy of design, and how it&#039;s peachy that designers risk making nothing for their efforts, but insist in getting their own cash up front. Don&#039;t see them offering up their services under a &#039;pay if you like&#039; scenario. They&#039;d be out of business tomorrow if they did. 

It still amazes me that some designers actually defend their &#039;right&#039; to work for free. All philisophically sound I suppose. However, I have the right to smash my head against a wall, but realize that it&#039;s not a particularly good idea. Take for example - the protection for designers when contest holders abandon contests, probably absconding with the designs and images posted by entrants. Amounts to none. Nada. 99 Designs offers this suggestion in their &#039;guidelines&#039; -
&lt;blockquote&gt;You can withdraw from a contest — close it down without awarding your prizes — but this course of action won&#039;t exactly endear you to designers, for obvious reasons.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s nice. Holders can stiff the designers humping their designs, but 99 Designs would prefer if they didn&#039;t, because designers wouldn&#039;t like it. As far as client expectations go, a spokesperson for 99 Designs had this to say in the comment section of Graphic Push - 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Then there’s the newbie designers and hobbyists – for them 99designs.com is really just a way to build a decent sized portfolio of design work and improve their skills by working on real projects with real clients. It beats working at McDonalds while you put yourself through design school.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Must have missed it, but I couldn&#039;t find that little nugget mentioned anywhere on the site. Rather 99 Designs offers themselves up as an equal, if not superior, alternative to working with a serious designer in the development of a new company logo. If these logo design contest sites offered themselves up as a quilting bee kind of gig, I would be non-plussed. Unfortunately, they don&#039;t and try to have it both ways. &quot;Hey, we&#039;re a professional solution&quot; when boasting to potential customers. &quot;Hey, we&#039;re not really a professional solution - lighten up&quot; when deflecting criticism aimed at them by the design community.

Did like the working at McDonalds comment though. Judging by the number of &#039;entrants&#039; and &#039;payouts&#039;, the odds lean towards making a lot more money shoveling fries at the corner Micky Dees. 

For what it&#039;s worth, &lt;strong&gt;Positive Spaces&lt;/strong&gt; takes a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.positivespaceblog.com/archives/99designs-the-evil-that-changed-names/&quot; target=&quot;new&quot;&gt;99 Designs - The Evil That Changed Names&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey David &#8211; welcome back. On a more serious note, I find it telling that &#8216;logo design contest&#8217; site owners carp about the democracy of design, and how it&#8217;s peachy that designers risk making nothing for their efforts, but insist in getting their own cash up front. Don&#8217;t see them offering up their services under a &#8216;pay if you like&#8217; scenario. They&#8217;d be out of business tomorrow if they did. </p>
<p>It still amazes me that some designers actually defend their &#8216;right&#8217; to work for free. All philisophically sound I suppose. However, I have the right to smash my head against a wall, but realize that it&#8217;s not a particularly good idea. Take for example &#8211; the protection for designers when contest holders abandon contests, probably absconding with the designs and images posted by entrants. Amounts to none. Nada. 99 Designs offers this suggestion in their &#8216;guidelines&#8217; -</p>
<blockquote><p>You can withdraw from a contest — close it down without awarding your prizes — but this course of action won&#8217;t exactly endear you to designers, for obvious reasons.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s nice. Holders can stiff the designers humping their designs, but 99 Designs would prefer if they didn&#8217;t, because designers wouldn&#8217;t like it. As far as client expectations go, a spokesperson for 99 Designs had this to say in the comment section of Graphic Push &#8211; </p>
<blockquote><p>Then there’s the newbie designers and hobbyists – for them 99designs.com is really just a way to build a decent sized portfolio of design work and improve their skills by working on real projects with real clients. It beats working at McDonalds while you put yourself through design school.</p></blockquote>
<p>Must have missed it, but I couldn&#8217;t find that little nugget mentioned anywhere on the site. Rather 99 Designs offers themselves up as an equal, if not superior, alternative to working with a serious designer in the development of a new company logo. If these logo design contest sites offered themselves up as a quilting bee kind of gig, I would be non-plussed. Unfortunately, they don&#8217;t and try to have it both ways. &#8220;Hey, we&#8217;re a professional solution&#8221; when boasting to potential customers. &#8220;Hey, we&#8217;re not really a professional solution &#8211; lighten up&#8221; when deflecting criticism aimed at them by the design community.</p>
<p>Did like the working at McDonalds comment though. Judging by the number of &#8216;entrants&#8217; and &#8216;payouts&#8217;, the odds lean towards making a lot more money shoveling fries at the corner Micky Dees. </p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, <strong>Positive Spaces</strong> takes a look at <a href="http://www.positivespaceblog.com/archives/99designs-the-evil-that-changed-names/" target="new">99 Designs &#8211; The Evil That Changed Names</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: David Airey</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/contest-design-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-84842</link>
		<dc:creator>David Airey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likewise, Steve, Kevin cheered me up too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likewise, Steve, Kevin cheered me up too.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/index.php/contest-design-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-84817</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was having a rather crap day myself till I read your post. I laughed for quite a while. Classic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was having a rather crap day myself till I read your post. I laughed for quite a while. Classic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well thanks very much. :) I was in a piss-poor mood when I wrote that, which helped tremendously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thanks very much. <img src='http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I was in a piss-poor mood when I wrote that, which helped tremendously.</p>
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