Steve Douglas on January 21st, 2010

My position, and that of many in the design community, is that spec work and design contests amount to nothing more than unpaid labor. Designer after designer pitching logos, website designs, brochures and what have you, all in the hopes of getting paid. Something. Anything. The argument about spec work is an ongoing one, often percolating over when a particular issue, or event, comes to light.

We’re all adults here.

One of the main arguments from the pro-spec side of the design crowdsourcing and contest sites is that “we’re all adults here” and entering design contests is a matter of “choice”. Fair enough position, I suppose (albeit ignoring most of the pro vs. con points of the issue). My definition (at least as it applied to MY kids) of “being an adult” was, and is, 18 years old (as it is in most Western countries). What if I told you that many of the designers on design contest sites aren’t 18, but 17. Close enough to adult to ‘bend the rules a bit’? Fair enough. What if I was to tell you that many designers on design contests are 16? Still within the ‘boundaries”? How about 15? How about 14? How about 13? 12? How about an 11 year old (already having entered 6 contests without winning)? Would you still be cool with design contests and spec work then? Still up with this ‘democracy of design’ bunk? Don’t think I am. Let’s take a look at some of the profiles from leading design contest site, 99designs (I’ve screen grabbed them, as they might disappear into the ether a few minutes after I hit the ‘publish’ button. I’ve blurred out the user IDs because it seemed a little icky publishing these kids’ names in the open) -

These profiles are but the tip of the iceberg. With a few simple, and obvious Google searches, we can find some more. I’d hazard a guess that many kids, eager to get in on the fun, simply withhold, or lie, about their ages so there’s no way to project any accurate, or total, numbers. However, and with the ‘ick’ factor notwithstanding, a couple of questions come to mind. As a supposedly professional designer, are you okay competing with children in the cut-throat environment of design contests? (I know I wouldn’t be. Truth to tell, I’d always be rooting for the little guys to win). As a buyer of design services, would you be cool knowing that some of the free pitches you’re getting in your $200 logo design contest (and either not giving feedback to, or being brutal about in your critique) are coming from kids who write “I like horsies” or “I’m 12 today! Hooray!” in their design profile? I know what my answer is.

Youngsters are often very talented

Don’t get me wrong. Most designers I know of (myself included) started drawing, painting and designing at a really young age (my first illustration experience was drawing Frank SInatra album covers on the living room floor with my father, Sinatra being his favorite crooner). Some teenagers show remarkable talent early on, in a cool ‘tussle their hair’ kinda way. I get it, but that isn’t the point. If you believe that spec work is unpaid labor, then this is tantamount to the unpaid labor of children. Being promoted to companies as the ‘evolution’ of professional design services and a superior way to obtain it. And while it’s generally accepted that exploiting adults is okey-dokey, albeit morally bankrupt, it’s another thing entirely to exploit children. Read some of the comments from contest buyers. Things like “you think this is professional design? I could have drawn better using my foot”. Now realize that these comments may be aimed at teenagers. Or younger. Puts a whole different spin to the often posted comment “my kid could have done better”, huh?

It’s all about the numbers

To be honest, I expect this kind of nonsense from design contest and crowdsourcing sites. The reason they can exist in the first place is that they don’t play by generally accepted rules (I wrote an earlier article that wondered if logo design contests are even legal). As I pointed out in my last blog post on their participating designer claims, these sites are reluctant to put ANY type of restrictions on their registrations in order to inflate their claimed ‘members’ of their ‘community’, and to keep the new recruits signing up. Trouble is, there are all sorts of legal ramifications for minors submitting to these sites. There are privacy issues. Adult responsibility issues. In terms of ‘karma,’ teenagers submitting unpaid work to clients paying the host company has a really, really bad vibe. At least from where I’m sitting.

But it gets worse.

Free pitches from kids?

99designs now offers white label contests through internet giant Network Solutions and Quickbooks software manufacturer Intuit.

Intuit Design Center

If you didn’t know, white label is simply when one company uses the resources, business model (and in this case, the web platform itself) to offer the same, unbranded services as another. Basically, Network Solutions and Intuit have their own versions of 99designs’ platform. And community. Which means Network Solutions and Intuit customers, who use those companies to launch design contests, may be getting designs pitched from kids as young as 11. Maybe a 12 year old. How about the ripe old age of 13.

Intuit Design Center

Gives one a kinda warm and fuzzy feeling about this crowdsourcing deal, no?

But kids mow lawns

Obviously, I’ve used the most extreme examples I could find here (we’re all guilty of confirmation bias) and some of the examples illustrate participants who haven’t been around the site for a year (which doesn’t prove anything – their profiles are still active and no doubt included in the home page tally of the sites discussed). Some might even argue that kids mow lawns, so why not enter design contests?

I’ll tell you why.

When I hire a kid to mow my lawn, I generally pay them more than what they ask, and usually have to mow the lawn myself anyway. After I send them off with a hair tussle and a “nice job” compliment. They’re not competing against supposedly professional landscaping companies, and in doing so are cutting my lawn in hopes of getting paid. Nobody is making a percentage and/or a ‘contest’ fee in making lawn cutting kids available to those who want their lawn cut. On design contest sites, the companies involved ARE making a cut from fees paid to access unpaid labor, these kids AREN’T getting paid, getting knocked around in the comment sections (so much for encouraging their endeavors) and treated just like adults who’ve “made a choice”. Because the contest holders probably don’t know they might be talking to kids. I expect that many wouldn’t be cool if they knew. I least, I hope they wouldn’t be.

If they are, perhaps it’s time that I got out of this game.

Postscript:

I had originally titled this article “Child labor on design contest & crowdsourcing sites” but as provocative as that title was, I changed it at the last minute. Here’s why; according to Wiki, child labor is defined as “(U.S. child labor) refers to the employment of children at regular and sustained labour.” As none of the sites mentioned actually ‘employ’ designers, none of the examples technically involve the legal definition of “child labor”. Wiki goes on to explain that “In many developed countries, it is considered inappropriate or exploitative if a child below a certain age works (excluding household chores or school-related work). [2] An employer is usually not permitted to hire a child below a certain minimum age. This minimum age depends on the country and the type of work involved. States ratifying the Minimum Age Convention adopted by the International Labour Organization in 1973, have adopted minimum ages varying from 14 to 16. Child labour laws in the United States set the minimum age to work in an establishment without restrictions and without parents’ consent at age 16.

Thought I should clear that up.

Related posts:

  1. Numbers – The ever-shifting realities of crowdsourcing and design contest sites.
  2. Are logo design contest sites even legal?
  3. Snippets: The crowdsourcing, writing on spec & design contest follies edition
  4. Defending crowdsourcing & design contests. The platitudes of spec work.
  5. Again with the design contests

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  3. Mohib says:

    I’m 11, I live in the UK, and I love horses: That’s a good one!

    I’m 16, I live at the SoHo, and I love wild horses: That’s a great one!!

  4. Well I’m 13 and after entering 66 contests (10 still participating with 5 with very good chances) on 99designs I’ve won 5 contests, see my profile – http://99designs.com/people/1122334455

    • M. Carson says:

      I looked at your profile.

      No offense, but the samples were exactly the type of low-end design work that I’d expect from a site like 99designs.

      • Steve Douglas says:

        @M This is one of the issues I speak about in the post above (I was originally going to remove your comment, but figured I’d let it stand to illustrate the point). *IF* Mohammad is in fact 13, his artwork is quite impressive and his portfolio site quite polished (much better than I was drumming up when I was his age). If he keeps at it, he will probably turn out to be an extremely talented designer and might have a decent career ahead of him. Trouble is, comments like yours (not unlike what he’d be subjected to on design contest sites) might discourage him from continuing his efforts. That doesn’t serve anyone.

        It would be much more helpful if youngsters starting to dabble in design receive constructive direction and help from well-meaning designers, rather than spiteful digs or harsh criticism from contest holders who’s only interest is to squeeze a few more iterations in a free-for-all (and largely unsupervised) design contest.

  5. Johnny says:

    I’m all for youngsters having a go with freelancing but my issue with this is that it could lead to the new “predator” problem that plagued Facebook. There should be more measures in place to protect them.

  6. Rick says:

    Everything’s great but don’t use Wikipedia. Here’s a better replacement:

    britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/111059/child-labour

    • My winning contests is now upto 6 :D and still several contests with high chances of winning.

      Thanks M.Carson for your comment, I appreciate it :) I saw your website and to be honest it looked crapper than my works, seriously I aint joking..

      Thank you Steve for your words of appreciation,

      I am in fact 13 but the reason I haven’t put up my age is because CH’s who look up my profile in interest might lose their interest in my works seeing my age so I thought it’s best to leave it blank.

      If you want to put my profile up in your blog post then I can make my profile show my age so you can do a screen capture :)

      Some people might not like my works because of all the glossy effects that I am using but I am trying to get rid of em slowly..

      One thing you said about CH giving harsh feedbacks etc I won’t agree with that.. Till now (73 contests entered) I never had a CH give me a harsh criticism or anything like that, each and every one of them respected my work and time I put for them. Maybe in the future I might have some who will..

      But I am not scared and won’t quit design.

  7. Followed through logo design love blog. Nice article.. totally agreed. What got me interested were the comments..

    I must say pretty good execution at the age of 13..

    @Fuaadh keep up the good work, and yes! never quit.

    But do remember:
    Going cheap makes you cheap. What you’re doing here is pretty good and hopefully you will do even better.

    But the kind of brand your building one for yourself on 99designs is eventually a mistake which you are not currently realizing, but you will within a span of time.

    Quit contests, and start practicing for real. Study in a proper art school and get educated and find some real clients and compete in the market.

    You don’t want a client testimonial that says… “Mohammad Fuaadh, is highly recommended. He is an excellent designer and can deliver high end logos for very cheap rates!”

    Good luck ;)

  8. Thanks Imran but I have done logos from $10 (a year ago) to $300 being the highest, and now if I start charging the amount Jacob Cass and David Airey charge their clients, do you think I will get a single client? No I won’t unless there is some stupid guy waiting. You see I have only been designing competitively for the past 2 months and I am slightly increasing the cost of my services.

    One thing I won’t agree with you is about me going and getting real clients in the outer world, I find that quite tough being a 13 yr old, do you think a client will give the job of branding his/her company to a 13 YEAR OLD? No matter how good he designs them, No no-one would, so I have to be undercover. 99designs is to me a world of opportunity so I’m not gonna quit that now maybe next year or so

    Thanks for the tips! Good luck to you as well.

    http://99designs.com/people/1122334455

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